rush limbaugh, sarah palin, and glenn beck

[stofer the dopest]

i wasnt gonna reply again to this thread, but i have to ask why you would tell me that this isnt a popularity contest? did my post imply that i was seeking popularity among Lyricwars members? if so, rest assured that it wasnt my intended result...and i dunno if "you dont know too much about politics" was aimed at me, but if so you are mistaken...i'd be happy to debate anyone on the actual merits of my political stance because, when truth is at the forefront of an argument instead of accusations, feelings and ad hominem attacks, conservative principles win time after time...i know that this wont change any liberals minds, but i wish you could see that this is a center-right country and, with the exceptions of liberal bastions such as LA, NYC and most of vermont, the people who make up this nation tend to lean toward the conservative view of life...when you get older and start to see the fallacy of liberal arguments, come holla...i wont say 'i told you so'...

[conklusion]

Well if we are to be honest democracy and even a democratic republic is a popularity contest.. the question is what exactly someone is supporting when they vote.. is it the policies the person is planning to implement.. is it the ideologies the person holds.. is it the party name that the person affiliates with.. the race.. the speaking ability.. dress? All these different reasons people vote.. and each vote is generally an opinion.. the person who is elected is then the winner of the popular vote..

As far as conservative politics.. honestly I think the label of liberal and conservative is too vague and says little.. You can be fiscally conservative without being socially conservative.. You can be against outrageous government spending and be for social welfare.. Now when you label yourself as a conservative.. but also believe in helping your fellow people.. you risk of being called out as a fake conservative even if you are conservative about certain policies.

The thing that I hate most about this dichotomy of party politics is this notion that liberal means that you are for the people, you spend money aimlessly and totally free spirited and conservative means you are a strict budgeter, against helping out your fellow human beings who is strict and up tight.. When that can't be further from the truth.. Bush was a die hard conservative in some peoples eyes.. however when you look at what he did what was he conserving? As a government it was not tighter around the waste.. we spent a lot of money on war, spying, bailing out banks, and a big part of the housing bubble to the point of the largest deficit we have ever seen.. but if you earn in the top 5% you would be conserving money.. it depends on your view point. On the other hand, Clinton also went to war, had terrorists attacks, was apart of the dot com bubble but we ended his term with a surplus.. Of course I would be naive to not credit the senate.. legislatures etc.. for their part in the way the country is run. Regardless they are terms that are thrown around that really describes little of what the person does.

[Joey]

yeah the liberal/conservative labels are lame

[BurningAries]

with your entire post adam i could type a freaking novel but i dont feel like it so im just gonna take a few key points and make short responses....

Bush was a die hard conservative in some peoples eyes.. however when you look at what he did what was he conserving? As a government it was not tighter around the waste.. we spent a lot of money on war, spying, bailing out banks, and a big part of the housing bubble to the point of the largest deficit we have ever seen..

oh really? here is the deficit bush had per year in the last 5 years of his presidency:

source:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/200 ... _math.html

Let’s look back. Here’s the litany of Bush deficits from 2004-2008:

2004: $412.5 billion
2005: $318.6
2006: $247.7
2007: $162.8
2008: $454.8



– The Government Accounting Office (GAO) document, “A Citizens Guide to the 2008 Financial Report of the United States of America: The Federal Government’s Financial Health”


In old math calculations, the total deficit spending from 2004-2008 (the last 5 years of Bush’s second term in office) was $1.596 trillion and change.

the last 5 years total that bush added to the deficit was 1.596 trillian..

obama passed a trillion dollar stimulus package 3 months into his presidency.....he spent more in 3 months than bush spent in his last 3 years combined....im not even adding in the GM bailout, and all the other shit, im just talking bout his stimulus package...

On the other hand, Clinton also went to war, had terrorists attacks, was apart of the dot com bubble but we ended his term with a surplus.. Of course I would be naive to not credit the senate.. legislatures etc.. for their part in the way the country is run. Regardless they are terms that are thrown around that really describes little of what the person does.

let me point something out to you.....

you may say this is just coincidence but im gonna say its just facts....

from 2000-2007 the economy was fine (except right after 9/11) his last year and a half in office is when things began to go to shit....from the last half of 2007-2008.....

so what was the difference between 200-2007 and 2007-2008?

well its simple.....

from 2000-2006 republicans controlled both the senate and the house.....in 2006 the democrats took it from the republicans (the same republicans who helped clinton keep a surplus) and within 6 months the economy turned to shit and remains there today.....

you say clinton had a surplus....theres a lot that i can say about that...but heres the fact...from 1994-2000 the republicans controlled both the house and the senate....and they prevented universal healthcare from getting passed which is what the clintons tried to do just as they are doing now....but the republicans prevented it....clinton was forced during the majority of his presidency to govern alongside the republicans since they controlled both houses....thus it prevented him from too much spending....since the majority of the guys back then were still from the reagan/bush1 years and believed in low spending....so this prevented clinton from going overboard with all this crap that obama is doing....

so from 1994-2000 under clinton and under the republican controlled senate and house their remained a surplus...

from 2000-2006 under bush and the republican controlled senate and house the economy remained strong....

so for 12 years under republican control the economy remained good.....but once dems gained complete control in 2006 within a year and a half this country went to complete shit....

how can one party fuck up so bad in 2 years in the house and senate when one party did so well for 12 years?

[Joey]

do you beat off to republican party rallies?

u a groupie lmao

[BurningAries]

do you beat off to republican party rallies?

u a groupie lmao

naw son you wrong....aint a republican, im more libertarian...for example:

im all about pro choice, if a slut wants to get rid of that slut kid than do that shit....i just wish more ghetto hoes would do it before they got 5 different baby daddys...its too bad that its mostly the smart white women who are doing it...i wish more babies would get sucked out before they are sucked into the welfare system....you would never hear sarah palin, or george bush giving a speech supporting abortion....

speaking of bush i think he did way too much stupid shit in office...i really liked him but fuck some shit he did...for instance...

he was working with john mccain to pass some sort of amnesty for illegals, and getting guest worker programs started for them...fuck that shit, they are here illegally, fuck rewarding them...bush was all about that, wanting to help them become citizens, that shit nearly made me hate him...

and another thing that pissed me off about bush is he is the single greatest contributor of aids research ever for africa...he donated more money to africa for aids research than any world leader in history....

he voted to triple an AIDS funding bill that he had already started in 2003

Bush Signs Bill To Triple AIDS Funding
By KATHARINE EUPHRAT, Associated Press | July 30, 2008

WASHINGTON — President Bush signed legislation today that triples American funding to fight AIDS, malaria, and tuberculosis around the world.



President Bush stands alongside Annette Lantos, the widow of recently deceased Rep. Tom Lantos, a Democrat of California. The president signed anti-AIDS and infectious disease legislation today that was named for Mr. Lantos.

The five-year, $48 billion plan renews a program credited with saving millions of lives in Africa alone and is widely seen as one of the major achievements of the Bush presidency.

48 billion is fucking ridiculous, we were in a huge recession in 2008 and hes sending 48 fucking billion dollars overseas to a bunch of fucking speerchuckers who are fucking themselves to death....it isnt like they were dying from a disease that they had no control over....they were killing themselves from a disease that they were spreading themselves....FUCK THAT...


yea adam you and many others say that bush was spending way too much well yea, here is PROOF that bush was spending way too much money, that money could have went into our schools

[Joey]

i have a couple of friends who's gfs had abortions

i like to give them shit....make them think about how he could have a 4-5 year old kid n shit lmao

[BurningAries]

i say fuck a pregnant bitch...then i realize thats how the bitch got that way to begin with...

but naw, i got more republican beliefs but i got democrat beliefs too...i think weed shouldnt be as criminalized as it is....i aint sayin it should be legalized completely...but i dont see how taking a dude who got a joint in his pocket and throwing that dude in prison is gonna help society....i think getting caught with small amounts of pot..like a roach or something should be equal to speeding....they should just take the roach and write you a ticket then let you go...of course if you get caught with like 10 thousand pounds thats different....but filling the jails full of people who get caught with a couple joints or roaches is fucking stupid...

so with that belief im more liberal...

[BurningAries]

see yall fuckers just think im some conservative robot who just believes anything and everything that rush and palin and bush says....fuck that, i got my own beliefs...and lots of them go completely against conservative tool beliefs...

palin preaches "no abortion under any circumstance" i obviously completely disagree with that...i agree with about 70% of shit she says...but theres about 30% of her shit i think shes completely delusional and idiotic about....

and as far as glenn beck goes....he wants to see the tea party become its own party with its own candidates...he wants it to split off into its own 3rd party...i think that is retarded and would only help the democrats...cause it would split the republican votes...cause lets say 50% of the country is democrat and 50% is republican...then that 50% of republicans could be split by like half of them voting for a tea party candidate and half voting for a repub candiate...so if half of those 50% are voting repubs and half of them are voting tea party then the dems would win 50% to 25% and 25% since the repub vote is split between repubs and tea party... so that is fucking stupid....

i think at this time rush is the smartest of anyone on the "conservative" side of things...since he recognizes the same thing that i listed above with beck...but beck is the most influential figure since he is able to organize and rally people better than anyone else on the repub side....

but naw son, i like rush, palin, beck, hannity, but they all got shit that i cant stand about them...they got shit that straight up annoys me and pisses me off...but overall i agree way more with what they believe than anyone else out there...i think the visions they have for the future of this country are way better than anyone else has at the moment...

[conklusion]

Lmao stfu, seriously. what I talked about had nothing to do with pointing fingers at political parties. Also go back and reread that shit because I stated you have to credit the senate and house. I swear u r the repub choir boy who deep throats every word that comes out of these dumb fucks mouths.

I was talking about the dichotomy of politics and how labeling removes identity from someones beliefs.

[Joey]

lol case...stop labeling your beliefs...shit is wack son fa real

but i agree with decriminalizing marijuana...out here in cali, it aint that bad, u can have an ounce or under on u, n only get a ticket

but in other states they like to fuck u

legalize it, tax it...get over it